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Series: Schiffer Military History
Hardcover: 352 pages
Publisher: Schiffer Publishing, Ltd.; Revised ed. edition (December 1, 1997)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0764302612
ISBN-13: 978-0764302619
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This is an amazing story! This book was recommended to me by a highly experienced interrogation expert within the community and I loved it. What's even better about this book is that it is not fiction, this is a 100% true story. I won't give away the story here but imagine if you will that a man is assigned to be an interrogator under the most brutal regime ever known, yet brings a sense of humanitarianism to his job that earns the respect of his bosses and those he is assigned to interrogate!
I first learned of Hans-Joachim Scharff during 1975 while at Marine Corps Recruit Depot, San Diego, as part of the Code of Conduct training. Later military SERE (Survival, Escape, Resistance and Evasion) and classes on how to treat PW (Prisoners of War) and civilian detainees. A number of reference books on Walt Disney World mention the world-famous mosaic Scharff installed in Cinderella Castle--and the official Keys to the Kingdom tour stops in front of that mosaic for a brief lecture on Scharff. I surprised my tour guide by talking about Hans-Joachim Scharff's wartime career--my excuses were "amateur World War Two historian" and having a long military career.There are a lot of myths and urban legends, but what did Scharff actually accomplish? The many answers show how complex this thing call reality is. Scharff's side lost World War Two--fortunately. Herman Goering, convicted war criminal, had a policy to treat British and American military personnel humanely--by Nazi standards. The fate of airmen parachuting from aircraft is grim because the civilians on the ground are understandably upset with folks who fly overhead and drop bombs on their homes. Scharff did get a lot of information--but as with his mosaic work, it was a matter of gathering mountains of different pieces and fitting them together to tell a story.According to Raymond F Toliver's biography on Hans-Joachim Scharff, "The Interrogator," Scharff was no "officer." Check the five categories of military prisoners under the Geneva Conventions (and this is very much a Geneva Convention story--unlike the nonsense about caliber .50 machine guns and shotguns). Scharff was the lowest military prisoner category, Category I, rank less than sergeant. Category II is sergeant, Category III is warrant officers and officers below the rank of major, Category IV--majors and colonels, and Category V is general officers (flag rank officers). The Geneva Convention specifies treatment, pay for labor, food, housing, medical treatment and clothing.Next, I haven't found any reference that Hans-Joachim Scharff was a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP)--though I am mindful of "ich war nie ein Nazi." Scharff was in Africa at the time war broke out and Scharff was drafted as a private in the Panzer grenadiers. Note that Wehrmacht regulations required that German soldiers resign from party membership because the Wehrmacht was "above politics" and forbade party activities in uniform--the American military has similar prohibitions on political activism while wearing the uniform.Then there is this point--most Afghani are not Taliban. Not every German was a Nazi. Of course, at the end of the war, with the wartime indoctrination (hate the enemy), and with the many real atrocities committed, it is too much to ask of human beings that they behave humanely. It was too much to ask of Hans-Joachim that he treat downed American airmen with dignity and respect as he wormed information from them, yet Scharff did so, placating his German military superiors while staying within the boundaries of humanity.And this point is controversial--if Scharff had been an American interrogator in the Twenty-first Century, he would have been "guilty of torture" because he exploited the "good cop/bad cop" technique. Scharff was the "good cop" and there were two "bad cops:" the Gestapo (naturally) and the United States Army. The latter was the "bad cop" because Scharff pointed out that the longer an airman stayed in the Luftwaffe Evaluation center, the more likely that American intelligence officers would conclude that the airman was kept there because he "talked" and that would lead to a treason trial upon return to the United States. Contrawise, when an American airman did give up valuable information of intelligence value, his time at the Luftwaffe Evaluation center was ended because he had no potential value--he was swiftly sent to a permanent prison camp. (see page 93 in Toliver)--giving up information was rewarded. Don't forget that Scharff did have the power to grant baths, more food, entertainment (walks, plane rides) and other perks. The "good cop" uses the threat of ill treatment at the hands of the "bad cop" to force information--and the "bad cops" frequently have well-deserved reputations for brutality. Rumor has it that the US interrogators threatened to hand over Iraqi prisoners to Saudi Arabia, Israel, and other nations that did torture people--and that were proud of torturing people. This was regarded as playing dirty when Americans did it. "The Interrogator" was published in 1997 and was about events during the Second World War.After World War Two Scharff was a witness in a treason trial of an American soldier, too.Speaking of atrocities, at the end of the fighting in Europe German soldiers were designated "disarmed enemy personnel," shades of "illegal combatants" of the recent Middle East conflicts. Either designation denies Geneva Convention rights--and also side-steps holding criminals (who also have legal and enforceable rights). I could claim that the sheer number of "detainees" overwhelmed the victors and there were severe problems with separation of wolves from sheep. What do you do with several thousand people--and only about 80 or 120 Military Police to contain them (unarmed or not, odds of 250 to 1 are a difficult crowd control problem)? There were disaster relief issues as well--Nazi Germany was wrecked. Wars do that to nations. Furthermore, as at the end of World War One, Germany was "without standing" in the World Court and any complaints Germans had fell on deaf ears. It was a case of reaping what was sown--Germany was a horrid master.Hans-Joachim Scharff was successful primarily because of preparation prior to interrogation. Without preparation, without carefully selecting the subject being interrogated, without some knowledge of what the goal of the interrogation is, no method of interrogation "works." Even with a machine that painlessly permits "total truth" to any question put to the person in the box, asking the wrong questions of the wrong person won't get answers. While I was in Marine Corps boot camp, my drill instructors demonstrated that lying to interrogators about our building number (the barracks where we lived) gave the interrogators information: if we all lied, then they'd simply narrow down the barracks by eliminating the numbers we did tell them (there were from 60 to 80 of us in a basic training platoon) and using the numbers left over to figure things out. Intelligence work--like journalism--is rumor and gossip. Figure out if the source is truthful and if the source is in a position to know the information. American airmen in World War Two giving their name, rank, serial number and date of birth (the latter because there were a lot of child soldiers--British Boy Scouts originally had front-line missions as litter bearers, as guides, as messengers, and even light engineering work) told who was more likely to know things. A sergeant was less likely to know high-level information than a colonel flying in the same bomber."The Interrogator" is the memoirs of a low-ranking German draftee. Use other sources if you want a valid picture of what happened during those days. It was a different world.
Brilliant. You get more flies with sugar than vinegar. When will our government learn this?
Great book for those interested in historical accounts of wartime interrogators
So this is just a great book. Period.
Amazing book. Writing style is challenging but the insights and lessons of interrogation are well worth the effort.
Excellent work.
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